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    League of Legends Free Talk Tuesday - June 16th!

    Free Talk Tuesday - June 16th!

    Posted: 16 Jun 2020 12:26 AM PDT

    Helloooooo, /r/leagueoflegends! Icy here with our (briefly hiatus'd) FTT thread! Hope you've all had a good (and safe) weekend!

    Leagues across the globe are getting back into full swing with the Summer Split providing us with that much-needed pro League hotness. Personally, I'm hoping CLG can turn their luck upside down this split and be contenders by playoffs! How do y'all think this split is going to go - especially leading into Worlds (which hopefully is still on....)?

    Gonna keep it short and sweet for this week - thread is all yours now, folks! Just remember to abide by our usual song and (Death's) Dance - talk shop, play nice and as always, have a good and safe week!!

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    Clash LFG Megathread

    Posted: 16 Jun 2020 09:17 AM PDT

    Hello Everyone, Riot announced another Clash event. The dates are:

    • June 20th and 21st

    This thread is here to help you find people to play with for the coming weekend. It will be split into four different posts divided by region.

    In your posts, please include the following information:

    • IGN
    • Rank and tier
    • Role
    • How many you have/need

    Optionally include

    • Champion pool/mains

    Join our discord if you would like to find people there

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    Wei is deducted a month's salary for mistakenly taking Ignite against Bilibili Gaming.

    Posted: 16 Jun 2020 12:34 PM PDT

    Wei is deducted a month's salary for mistakenly taking Ignite against Bilibili Gaming. The official announcment from eStar on twitter says that Wei apologized many times to his teammates and coaching staff but well... seems it wasn't enough.

    Is this a bit too harsh or it's a fair punishment for a critical mistake on a high professional league?

    https://twitter.com/eStar_Esports_/status/1272870302364643329

    ​

    Edit: some users pointed out the confused translation on the word "deduct", as it can implies that his salary was just reduced for this month and not entirely deducted or removed. It's good to take that into account.

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    i listened to my double smite botlane to flash the wall for an invade. 10/10 would try again

    Posted: 16 Jun 2020 02:45 AM PDT

    LCS IS a retirement home for Pro Players - an Analysis on age statistics in the 4 Major Leagues (+LCS Academy as a Bonus)

    Posted: 16 Jun 2020 09:21 AM PDT

    In the past weeks and months, maybe even years I've read so much about the problems of LCS. About their players being washed up or the League being a retirement home for professionals. Today I wanted to check myself. On Leaguepedia you can find dates of birth for the majority of pro players so I decided to put them all onto an excel sheet and calculate means to compare.

    I considered almost all players listed as starters or rotating players on Leaguepedia for their team. I only didn't consider Ray (KT Rolster) and Forgiven (Schalke 04) since they are inactive. And I only considered players listed as substitutes if I knew they were already starting this split, happening for chenlung17 and iwandy (LNG Esports). A couple of NA players were counted twice since they were listed for both LCS and LCS Academy.

    Obviously, missing birthdays make the whole thing slightly inaccurate but since that those only make a small portion of all data (LCS: 2, LEC: 5, LCK: 1, LPL: 9, LCSA: 12) the overall trend at least remains true. Also the majority of missing birthdays are likely of some of the younger players. Having a higher number of missing birthdays could therefore likely decrease the average age slightly

    Here are some of the results:

    Leagues

    League average team age U21 Players* O24 Players*
    LCS 23,04 12 22
    LEC 21,16 31 9
    LCK 21,02 36 9
    LPL 20,53 70 7
    LCS Academy 21,90 17 11

    \For U21 I counted players (as of today) aged 21 or younger while O24 are players at the age of 24 or older*

    Now we have to keep in mind that LPL has 7 teams more than the other major leagues and that LCS Academy has more missing data which would likely make the average team age slightly younger than calculated.

    LEC and LCK both having quite similar age splits. Both are heavily using young players and rookies with a couple of veterans leading the charge. LPL teams are running even younger rosters. You can argue that having 7 more teams helps because more bottom tier teams can do experiments with young players without risking their playoffs spot because they never had one in the first place. But actually there are also very few veteran players in LPL these days. The oldest one being 25 is ping who is a rotating jungler for Victory Five who didn't play a single game so far. Vici Gaming actually even has three 17 year old players on their roster, two of them currently on their starting roster, the other one played a couple of games in spring already. Rosters without any experienced player are not unusual. Also the 17 teams of LPL have more U21 players than the 20 teams of both LCK and LEC combined. So the high number of young players is not solely due to the higher number of teams. And even though LPL has more teams the number of O24 players is the lowest.

    LCS however has a completely different age split compared to the other 3 regions. The average age is almost two years higher compared to the other Leagues, even 2 1/2 compared to LPL. Also LCS almost has as many players aged 24 or higher as the other 3 Leagues with a total of 37 teams combined. In LCS 8/10 teams have average ages over 23 (both GG and TSM could make it slightly younger though due to one player with missing date of birth). No team in any other League however is remotely close. In LEC Misfits is the oldest team (22,5), no other team is older than 22 on average. In LCK Team Dynamics (22,6) and KT (22,5) are the oldest teams with the other 8 teams being younger than 22. In LPL Funplus Phoenix is actually the oldest team being only 22 on average. Team WE and Vici both even having rosters 18,5 years on average. Those 2 are by far the youngest teams in any major League.

    The LCS Academy League is also not really a youth development League if you compare it with the other Major Leagues. Even if you count all missing data as under 21 players, the age split in LCS Academy would be more similar to LEC and LCK and still older than the LPL regular league. You would expect that in Academy all teams ran rosters like the LPL WE and Vici rosters but that just isn't the case.

    You could argue that considering only starters would make things different but it really doesn't change the overall results. For rotating players (especially in China) you have both scenarios: an older starter while a younger player gets rotated in. But you also have scenarios with a younger starter and an older player that got replaced. The overall result remains the same.

    Teams

    Now we can take a look at some of the major contestants for world championships

    Team average age
    Top Esports 20,67
    Funplus Pheonix 22
    JD Gaming 21,6
    T1 20,83
    Gen.G 20,33
    G2 Esports 21,4
    Fnatic 21,8
    Cloud 9 21,2
    Team Liquid 23,2

    Now here I included the (supposed to be) top teams of all 4 major regions. Gen.G being the youngest team here, however overall you can see a trend that the super teams are usually teams that have at least some experience. Only the two LCK teams are more towards the younger teams of their league. Cloud 9 actually just fits in here but they are by far the youngest team in NA. And then Team Liquid doesn't fit at all. Even with Tactical as the youngest LCS player (with data) their roster is just old compared to the world elite. TL has three 25 year-old players with Impact, Jensen and CoreJJ. 25 would be already considered very old and maybe even retirement worthy in all other Leagues (remember there's only a single 25 yo player in LPL, none as a starter). To LCS standards Team Liquid doesn't look very old though.

    Problems

    At last I want to take a look at problems and chances. We have to admit that based on recent results China's LPL is the strongest League right now and their age split is probably part of the reason. Rookies get experience on a top level very early on so they can play their career high at the age of around 20-23 before their reflexes decline and then they retire to make space for new young talent. Part of the reason for the amount of young talent is obviously their large playerbase. That's something that other regions don't have and that teams cannot really change. However China still has something in common with NA. Both regions are still using a lot of imports. But while China went from recruiting Korean star players back in earlier seasons to recruiting (mostly) soloQ talent in the recent years, NA haven't really imported a lot of young talent. The only names would be Closer, FBI, Ryoma and Brokenblade. Aside of FBI (birthday not available), they are still 20-21 years old already. In China they recruited players like Zeka (VG, 17), Morgan (WE, 18), Plex (WE, 18), Samd (V5, 19), Kanavi (JDG, 19). These are just some of the youngest players. Also players like TheShy and Doinb have already played their whole career for Chinese clubs.

    In NA especially mid and bottom tier teams seem to be too stubborn to import younger players that might take away an import slot. Especially if homegrown talent is rare, import slots should be used for younger players. I could see why Flyquest, C9 or EG wouldn't want to change their roster as they were successful in the last split (even if EG and FQ are objectively too old for international play). You see similar trends in LPL and LEC where the top teams aren't the youngest teams but rather young teams that developed well during the last 2 years. However it's up to the bottom tier teams to make changes and open slots for young players that have more room to grow. I'm being sorry here, I really like Froggen and aphromoo, but if you're Dignitas and didn't make playoffs last split with them, you probably won't be reaching playoffs next split either. And certainly you will never be able to be a worlds contestant with that roster. Froggen and Aphromoo are very experienced already, they won't get any better. If you pick up young players, you might end up with a worse roster immediately but you'll get a roster with potential and a roster that might make something out of the experience so you at least have the chance of building a roster that could do well on the international stage in the future.

    Now for homegrown talent, if there isn't enough talent in Challenger or grandmaster, teams could look into master and diamond, probably even unranked to find U19 players that could be able to reach top level with more coaching. It's easy to say that NA soloQ is bad, but if teams are not willing to invest into youth development they are simply not doing enough. Trainee programs are common in Korea and China and that also helps their soloQ being better. In EU most young players get better through teamplay in their regional leagues having a coach or a veteran player on their roster. I know that 100 Thieves is actually trying a youth development program so I can't just hate on any team here. I just want to point out that there is the option of fielding younger rosters in any region. Playerbase isn't the only important factor.

    The last problem would be the LCS community. Fan reactions have been pretty harsh for teams when they benched some of their older players. Recently Immortals not starting Xmithie got many comments. As I said benching an older player in favor of a younger one usually doesn't result in a stronger roster immediately, you rather invest into a possibly better future. Questioning roster decisions as a fan is okay however if fans are too stubborn if some of their "icon" players get benched, teams will naturally be more scared to take these risks to avoid a shitstorm on social media.

    Right now LCS is probably at their worst state in history. The only team in LCS that is doing pretty much everything like their international competition is C9 and I don't think NA will do any better in the future if the other teams don't follow their example.

    If I miscalculated any age, I'm already sorry. But the overall result should still be correct.

    ​

    TL DR:

    Just look at the two tables but it took me some time for the whole thing so I'd appreciate it if you could read it.

    ​

    My Excel Source:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRo3WP8u2o-Zz1O8NTYCCSDkvo0NVavT172vYf-6_RDOo_h1UGiufgLxQiEe7G5mePTUGDfVmrnwyWR/pubhtml

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    Kobbe: "I really didn't feel appreciated over there (NA) compared to here in EU where I feel really appreciated both in my team and just in general. That's not something I really had in NA, even on the outside people were shitting on me at every opportunity."

    Posted: 16 Jun 2020 01:45 PM PDT

    Dekar just got banned from twitch

    Posted: 16 Jun 2020 01:53 PM PDT

    Looks like our reports on twitch finally did something. Idk if it's only for 30 days or not but it's still something.

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    Rioter on why Mafia/Gangster skin line change its name to Crime City: "Italian players didn't feel great about the term 'Mafia'."

    Posted: 16 Jun 2020 11:50 AM PDT

    https://twitter.com/notquitefrodo/status/1272637504298999809

    it was a request from Italian players, who didn't feel great about the term 'Mafia'

    https://twitter.com/notquitefrodo/status/1272638923349479424

    it's a cultural sensitivity issue, which we run into as time goes on. in some cases we can pivot in other ways but for this one it necessitated the name change

    He also mentioned that Mafia Braum should've been change too. (It's currently the only one remaining on PBE without name changing)

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    If you try to place a fourth ward (or second controll ward) the minimap doesn’t show what ward will be replaced anymore

    Posted: 16 Jun 2020 04:31 AM PDT

    I am a support main, and therefore place a lot of wards. There used to be this really nice little feature, where when you tried to place a fourth ward (or a second controll ward) a small red cross would show up on the minimap. This would indicate which of your existing wards you placed first and would therefore be replaced. It was a great feature to evaluate if you rather wanted to actually place the new ward, or if you feel like you could get more value out of the already existing one.

    This doesn't work anymore for some reason so it's probably either a bug or was removed on purpose. Anyway I think it's very useful so please fix the bug or bring back the feature!

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    When the game have 150+ champs, maybe it's time to reconsider the prices or BE earnings?

    Posted: 16 Jun 2020 12:51 AM PDT

    Free champion rotation is good, but waiting half 2+ months to try a champion just becoues you can't even pick all champions in training mode is stuped.

    Champion that was released 3+ years ago and still cost max price is stuped.

    Make champion prices go down faster or let us at least grind br not only with first win of the day.

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    After lots of criticism of the LCS broadcast - I crafted this video on what I think the structural issues with the show are

    Posted: 16 Jun 2020 04:14 PM PDT

    Upcoming changes for 10.13 with preview

    Posted: 16 Jun 2020 01:39 PM PDT

    A follow up from the previous post yesterday

    Riot Scruffy Tweeted the preview changes for patch 10.13

    Updated 10.13 Patch Preview with our current changes. Things aren't yet final so some may still change.

    Image version of the changes: https://i.imgur.com/jQSO9BL.jpg

    >>> Systems <<<

    Conqueror Nerf

    • Max stacks: 10 >>> 12

    • Adaptive per stack 2-5 >>> 1.7-4.2

    Death's Dance Ranged Nerf

    • Stored damage for ranged 20% >>> 10%

    Guardian Nerf

    • Shield base: 80-200 >>> 70-150

    >>> Nerfs <<<

    Yuumi

    E

    • Mana cost: 100-160 >>> 40-60 + 15% of Yuumi's max mana

    Syndra

    Q

    • Mana cost: 40-80 >>> 60-80

    Ornn

    • Brittle damage: 10-18 >>> 12% max HP

    Cassioperia

    Base stats

    • MR: 34 >>> 32

    Aphelios

    • AD per lvl >>> 2

    • Crescendum attacks on epic monsters no longer refresh chakram duration

    R

    • Crit bonus: 50% >>> 20%

    Kalista

    Base stats

    • AD per level: 4 >>> 3.5

    >>> Buffs <<<

    Nocturne Jungle

    P

    • Attacks on monsters also give double cooldown reduction (like attacks on champions)

    Yorick

    R

    • Leash range: 900 >>> 700 (She will follow you if you leave this range)

    Ryze

    Base stats

    • MR: 34 >>> 36

    • AD: 56 >>> 58

    Gnar

    E (Hop)

    • Attack speed: 20-60 >>> 40-60%

    Vi

    Q

    • Cooldown: 12-8 >>> 12-6

    Lucian

    Q

    • Laser range: 900 >>> 1000

    Rakan

    W

    • Damage: 70-270 >>> 70-290

    >>> Other <<<

    [NEW] Champ Select Reporting and Muting

    • AP Offbuilds

    Kog'Maw

    Q

    • AP ratio: 0.5 >>> 0.7

    R

    • AP ratio: 0.25 >>> 0.35

    Nunu

    Q

    • Damage AP ratio: 0.5 >>> 0.65

    • Healing AP ratio: 0.7 >>> 1.0

    R

    [NEW] Shield AP ratio: 1.5

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    How mad is this Ryze?

    Posted: 16 Jun 2020 02:58 AM PDT

    YamatoCannon - "My VISA is approved and I fly in less then 24 hours."

    Posted: 16 Jun 2020 02:08 AM PDT

    From @YamatoCannon on Twitter:

    ​

    My VISA is approved and I fly in less then 24 hours. I'll miss our game against Afreeca but I'll be supporting the team from Frankfurt during my layover. Very excited to take this next step in this journey.

    ​

    The first ever Western coach in the LCK. Can't wait to see what he does.

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    LEC Mic Check: Week 1 (Summer 2020)

    Posted: 16 Jun 2020 09:02 AM PDT

    Bug: While E is visibly on CD, what would have been Jhin's 4th hit on honeyfruit, is replaced with a trap for some reason.

    Posted: 16 Jun 2020 09:01 AM PDT

    My "once in a lifetime" Baron Nashor steal.

    Posted: 16 Jun 2020 09:06 AM PDT

    Give a champion a small change to make it grossly OP and the next person tries to balance it.

    Posted: 16 Jun 2020 04:17 AM PDT

    Hello there!

    Would you like to play a game?

    Here is how it works:

    1.Pick a champion out of the LoL roster.

    1. Add a small change to his/her kit that would make that champion crazy ovepowered (or at least very very good).

    2. Another person tries to balance the champion while keeping the trait you have given him.

    Some additional rules:

    No adding infinite stats/duration to skills. Example: Vladimir Q now deals 10k dmg per cast, has 0.5s CD and his pool deals 500 dmg/s and has 10s duration with 1s cooldown. - this just defeats the purpouse of the game, anyone with infinite / high stats/no cd would be OP.

    (might add more special rules, I'm sure you guys can find loopholes in this)

    Let me start:
    Gnar - You can freely switch between Mega/Mini forms.

    Similarly Aphelios - No ammo system, you choose which gun you want to use out of all 5.

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    The highest adrenaline spikes I get in League are when I attempt to execute in ARAM. Here's the closest one I've ever done.

    Posted: 16 Jun 2020 05:48 PM PDT

    Golden tunnel!

    Posted: 16 Jun 2020 06:57 AM PDT

    Summoning Insight S3E2: Wukong Support and MAD Lions Draft Tricks (ft. Ender and Kaas)

    Posted: 16 Jun 2020 12:26 PM PDT

    T1 Re-signs Multi-Year Deal with Teddy

    Posted: 16 Jun 2020 08:35 AM PDT

    I'm Caenen, tell me the worst bugs you've encountered on your favorite Champion and I'll analyze and explain them to you!

    Posted: 16 Jun 2020 10:11 AM PDT

    As some of you might know, I am occasionally found in the comments of posts on this subreddit, explaining whatever bug or weird interaction the post or a parent comment is about. That is a pretty passive approach, and - while I get paged and summoned occasionally on posts (and happily help take apart the subject in question) - I haven't actively reached out to here for bugs to feast on

    ...until now!

    So, without further ado, comment what you want me to pick apart and explain in technical detail below!

    A few notes:

    1. I'm looking especially for the frustrating, 'how is this not fixed yet?!' kind of bugs, however you can ask me anything including why things that are not bugs work a certain way.

    2. While not required, linking a video clip will make it easier to analyze for me and for other users to follow/understand, aswell!

    3. Please no bugs from the client or website. They haunt me.

    4. I can also explain past bugs to you, even the most infamously weird ones (to varying degree). If you're sure the bug you want me to look at is no longer around, do tell me so I don't start chasing ghosts (I'm a bugcatcher not a ghostbuster)!

    Additionally, a few fellow Bugcrackers are in comms with me in a Discord; Names of these who might also appear in this thread are u/AnataBakka, u/CelestineWish, u/NocaNoha and u/Naerlyn.

    Edit: There are a lot of people here, which is awesome, but it also means I can't get to test out the bugs myself while answering others very quickly. Don't worry though, I'll get to answer as many people as possible, don't be sad if you don't get your reply as quickly as others! As I noted, though, if you can link a video or another reddit thread, I appreciate it a lot because that means I'll take less time from hopping into practice tool or going on a search for examples of the bug as much!

    Edit2: I'll respond to a few more comments today and then probably come back to answer some of the more research-intensive bugs tomorrow still. Thanks everyone for giving their input, I had a good mix of things I could talk about immediately and bugs I didn't know about before!

    If you need me in the future, under any post or with any particular bug or interaction, you can always page me (u/Caenen_) or DM me!

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    On Leaguepedia we're now showing contract expiration in players' infoboxes!

    Posted: 16 Jun 2020 05:47 AM PDT

    This is currently only for players whose pages have been converted to the new format (where the team history is separate from the infobox), because the backend of the new format is required to implement the contract display. Hopefully by the end of the year we'll be done converting all players who have contract expirations to the new format!

    Here's also an example of how it looks when the player is on both the main roster & academy roster for the team. Currently I don't think we have any players who are in the GCD and are members of two separate teams, but if that happens I'll add an icon for the team that the contract pertains to.

    As always, let me know in the comments if you have any feedback! And our wiki discord server is here if you want to discuss any changes!

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    Top Esports vs. Oh My God / LPL 2020 Summer - Week 3 / Post-Match Discussion

    Posted: 16 Jun 2020 06:27 AM PDT

    LPL 2020 SUMMER

    Official page | Leaguepedia | Liquipedia | Eventvods.com | New to LoL

    Top Esports 2-1 Oh My God

    TES | Leaguepedia | Liquipedia | Website | Twitter
    OMG | Leaguepedia | Liquipedia | Website | Twitter | Facebook | YouTube

    MATCH 1: TES vs. OMG

    Winner: Oh My God in 45m | MVP: H4cker (1)
    Match History | Game Breakdown

    Bans 1 Bans 2 G K T D/B
    TES kalista leblanc sett zoe wukong 76.7k 9 7 H2 H4 E9 B10
    OMG varus syndra trundle diana ekko 82.6k 17 10 I1 C3 O5 O6 B7 B8 E11 B12
    TES 9-17-24 vs 17-9-58 OMG
    369 ornn 3 1-4-5 TOP 4-2-10 4 kayle Curse
    Karsa reksai 2 3-4-4 JNG 4-3-12 1 lee sin H4cker
    knight akali 3 1-3-6 MID 2-2-12 3 azir icon
    JackeyLove ezreal 1 3-3-3 BOT 6-1-10 1 aphelios Smlz
    yuyanjia yuumi 2 1-3-6 SUP 1-1-14 2 thresh cold

    MATCH 2: TES vs. OMG

    Winner: Top Esports in 28m | MVP: 369 (2)
    Match History | Game Breakdown

    Bans 1 Bans 2 G K T D/B
    TES kalista sett thresh ornn azir 54.2k 15 10 I1 H2 M3 C4 C6 B7
    OMG varus syndra yuumi ekko renekton 45.7k 10 3 H5
    TES 15-10-25 vs 10-15-15 OMG
    369 mordekaiser 3 4-4-5 TOP 3-5-5 3 wukong Curse
    Karsa lee sin 2 4-1-4 JNG 1-4-4 1 trundle H4cker
    knight orianna 3 2-1-8 MID 5-2-1 4 leblanc icon
    JackeyLove ezreal 1 4-1-4 BOT 1-2-1 1 aphelios Smlz
    yuyanjia leona 2 1-3-4 SUP 0-2-4 2 nautilus cold

    MATCH 3: TES vs. OMG

    Winner: Top Esports in 30m | MVP: knight (3)
    Match History | Game Breakdown

    Bans 1 Bans 2 G K T D/B
    TES kalista sett aphelios leblanc kassadin 59.8k 21 8 H2 I3 B6 M7
    OMG varus syndra ezreal mordekaiser kayle 52.1k 16 3 C1 H4 M5
    TES 21-16-40 vs 16-21-34 OMG
    369 wukong 3 4-3-10 TOP 3-7-5 3 ornn Curse
    Karsa trundle 1 1-1-14 JNG 5-3-5 1 lee sin H4cker
    knight sylas 3 9-2-6 MID 3-3-8 4 zoe icon
    JackeyLove kaisa 2 7-6-7 BOT 4-4-7 2 jhin Smlz
    yuyanjia nautilus 2 0-4-3 SUP 1-4-9 1 thresh cold

    This thread was created by the Post-Match Team.

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    It took me 84 games to reach Bronze 4 this season, and im proud of it.

    Posted: 16 Jun 2020 04:03 AM PDT

    So i started my climp at iron 2, i won 7/10 of my placement games and got placed there, wether it be because of bad preseason mmr or whatever it was hard. For the whole season my games have had an average rank of silver and its been a hard time. Luckily, ive learnt to carry and with a WR of 56% on ADC i climbed through the hell of people that just dont care about ranked to get to B4. i know its not impressive, and im ranked in the bottom 10% of players, but im proud of my achievement regardless.

    Edit: the win rate is my win rate on adcs, not overall, I tanked my climb by playing support at the start.

    https://imgur.com/a/AdbyT9y

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